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8000 Drums

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I received this in my email today from Elder Three Feathers in Canada on the Pabineau Reserve, new Brunswick:


Fwd: 8,000 DRUMS on March 21, 2008 at noon

Wow wouldn’t this sound amazing to hear
and to know we were all doing this together……….please forward on. I
think if all nations who played a drum could also participate that would be so
beautiful to see that too. There are people from other Nations that would drum
on this day in Solidarity…so I’m passing this onto
them……….take care, D.

PLEASE
DO YOUR PART AND FORWARD TO ALL OF OUR RED NATIONS…SUPPORT ALL OF OUR BROTHERS
AND SISTERS…LET US STAND TOGETHER AS ONE PROUD UNITED NATION!
Passing along the word to bring healing for our Mother Earth
This special event will take
place 12 noon EST. It is also a full moon that day and spring equinox is March
20, 2008 (eg. if you are on the west coast, your time will be 10am this will be
your time to be aligned with us here in EST etc. etc.)
8,000 DRUMS on March 21
at noon
HELLO, GREETINGS, ANIIN, TANSI, HAN,
HAKODA!!
Darlene Courchene was contacted by my friend Gilles Novaks who is a Montagnais Indian from Montreal. He is a Medicine Man and a Healer. He asked me to get as many Tribal people to participate in a worldwide ceremony called the “8,000 Drums”.
He was contacted by two Huron Clan Grandmothers from up there in Canada and they asked him to help spread the word to all Indians everywhere.
It will take place on March 21, 2008 at 12:00 noon.
All you need to do is play a drum either alone, or with a group or have the whole Tribe participate.
The purpose is to fulfill the OTOMI PROPHECY. The Otomi’s are Mayan Olmec and Toltec descendants. The drums will be played so that the Creator will hear us and grant our wishes as we pray for help in the Healing Process of our Mother Earth. …People are destroying Her and our Mother Earth needs our prayers. Thank you.

Ewo-wox-co-dah-wa
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  • Re: 8000 Drums

    Sun, March 9, 2008 - 11:41 PM
    This is great news.

    Drum the world awake.

    We Celtic folk are keen on drumming too.

    Michael
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      Re: 8000 Drums

      Mon, March 10, 2008 - 6:53 AM
      Mmm... many drums bring great power, eh? I know the Celtic folk are keen on drumming...love the sound of the bodrahn (sp) and traditional Celtic music. Seems very similar to Metis music in many ways. It's interesting how cultures that are clan based have such similar style in music and oral tradition too.
      • Re: 8000 Drums

        Mon, March 10, 2008 - 7:58 PM
        After reading your post, my eyes fell on 'Reply to this post'... and I felt That's right, reply.

        I love music. It brings me alive.

        Past years I'm focusing on the world situation and huge things which feel like they can be completely changed. I'm focusing on truth for now. It seems if the world gets a massive "AHA!" about the situation we are in, then we can have a big world party. Life can be a celebration again.

        I think the world is controlled from an intellectual perspective --- people who think about money all the time! And they like order and form. They especially like to be in control of that order and form! And music, singing, and dancing is 'messy'.... it's hard to control. People celebrating life want to do all manner of creative things!

        LET'S BRING ON THAT GREAT DRUM ROLL ~ AND WAKE THE WORLD UP

        ~~~ many drums bring great power ~~~
      • Re: 8000 Drums

        Mon, March 10, 2008 - 8:29 PM
        ~~ Seems very similar to Metis music in many ways. It's interesting how cultures that are clan based have such similar style in music and oral tradition too. ~~

        For nine months I was homeless in Rapid City on the edge of the wonderful Paha Sapa, Black Hills. I think an eagle took me there, Also a cloud which looked exactly like a horse standing on its back legs, hind feet kicking up a dust cloud, and its forelegs digging in the air. It was dancing. I feel Sitting Bull's spirit was behind this. And if you can figure which warrior that kicking horse remnds you of, there's another soul.

        In the mission, in Rapid (and at another place I'd rather not name right now ~ not until I know you just a little better ~ but very appropriate to your work, Nanci) native drum groups would play. In the second place (folks who know Rapid well will know where I'm describing) there's a huge wall mural painting of a deep pine valley, sharp green pine trees, a wolf on a precipice, looking up to a big Moon.

        This is the real world.
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    Re: 8000 Drums

    Mon, March 10, 2008 - 8:00 AM
    My friend Dennis (Dineh) is organizing a New Years/Spring Equinox sunrise ceremony, in conjunction with AIDS Awareness Day, at Dolores Park here in San Francisco on Thursday March 20th.

    Sunrise Ceremony
    Participants are to gather at Dolores Park at sunrise for a ceremony conducted by Native American and Native Hawaiian traditional healers, singers, and dancers and then walk to the LGBT Center for a traditional prayer and breakfast.

    Contact: Dennis Manuelito, DennisM@nativehealth.org

    Date: Thursday, March 20, 2008
    Time: Sunrise - Noon
    Location(s):


    Dolores Park
    500 Dolores Street
    San Fransico, CA 94110

    LGBT Center
    1800 Market Street
    San Francisco, CA 94102

    Brought to you by: Shake the Feathers Collaborative: Bay Area American Indian Two-Spirits, Native American AIDS Project, and Native American Health Center as well as the Asian & Pacific Islander Wellness Center
  • 5000 Drums,and then some........

    Mon, March 10, 2008 - 1:15 PM
    They have a 5000 Drum celebration on the Equinox-at the Otomi ceremony grounds,here in the Mexico.that I had the pleasure of being part of last season at this time.........thier chapter of prophecy is very strong upon thier sacred mountain,it would be real pleasure to have Elder Three Feathers there for it.We usually go to Teoteuachan,Atitlan,Malinalco and Puebla during this time to see elders and participate.This year will include Palenque as part of the journey.And yes,..........there WILL be LOTS of drums @ The Otomi Ceremonial Circle.
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    Re: 8000 Drums

    Mon, March 10, 2008 - 8:52 PM
    I once went to a Pow wow with the Pequots at Schimzin in Ct ... there were 500 drums and that was powerful in itself. Imagine the world drumming in unity....how powerful that will be and how much that will resonate and raise the vibration of collective consciousness. Back during the first Saudi Arabian crisis, I remember how the news reports were saying that there were more people praying at that time than any other time in modern history. I believe the collective power of prayer averted a further catastrophe in that moment. Many times I have seen that collective power make significant changes. It is right for us to participate in this...the world needs it!~
    • Re: 8000 Drums

      Mon, March 10, 2008 - 10:31 PM
      I'm just writing a news item on this. And re this:

      ~~~ Imagine the world drumming in unity....how powerful
      that will be and how much that will resonate and raise
      the vibration of collective consciousness. ~~~

      The '8,000 DRUM' statement only (so far) mentions Native people.

      Would the Native people open this to the whole world?

      Looks like many non-Natives will participate ......
      They may feel more comfortable if they are invited.

      As the news page stands so far:
      '8,000 Drums on 21st March 2008 Worldwide'
      www.worldgathering.net/news28.html

      ~~~~~~~~~
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        Re: 8000 Drums

        Tue, March 11, 2008 - 5:45 AM
        Personally, it's fine with me ... I know it is being circulated throughout Indian country to gather participation...but to me collective conscious is inclusive. It is not our way to be exclusive. People are going to do what they are going to do, eh?
        • Re: 8000 Drums

          Wed, March 12, 2008 - 10:11 AM
          Hello Nanci,

          I hope you are well.

          ~~~ Personally, it's fine with me ~~~

          Thank you for the invitation.

          However, I've had time to think, and my personal feeling is to let it stand as it is.

          I will be listening out for your drums on 21st March.

          Peace.

          Michael
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            Re: 8000 Drums

            Wed, March 12, 2008 - 6:58 PM
            I believe that this movement is gathering momentum and regardless of ethnic persuasion....people of all spiritualities will join in...network it..is all you can do and the rest is up to the Creator. I do not advocate exclusiveness, myself. According to our teachings and the prophecies...we are to be inclusive and share the teachings with those who need them...is what those four directions and colors are all about!

            Peace
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    Re: 8000 Drums

    Wed, March 12, 2008 - 7:42 PM
    >people to participate in a worldwide ceremony called the “8,000 Drums”. <


    If you note this says "Worldwide ceremony" ....
    • Re: 8000 Drums

      Fri, March 14, 2008 - 6:03 AM
      ~

      ~~~~ If you note this says "Worldwide ceremony" ~~~~

      We're picking you up loud and clear here, Nanci.

      Your signal strength is 10/10.

      OK. We have a GREEN light.

      We're iniatiating a countdown to 21st March.

      IT'S TIME TO DRUM THE WORLD AWAKE
      • Re: 8000 Drums

        Fri, March 14, 2008 - 12:33 PM
        After writing .........

        ~~~
        We're picking you up loud and clear here, Nanci.
        Your signal strength is 10/10.
        OK. We have a GREEN light.
        We're iniatiating a countdown to 21st March.
        IT'S TIME TO DRUM THE WORLD AWAKE
        ~~~

        I walked straightaway across the room to switch the kettle on and noticed three, very wide, spherical clouds, stacked as if, perhaps, a stairway to heaven ~ or as a display of some type. There appears to be, as well, a small spherical craft.

        I've put the photo as a post at Native Peoples, and its also here:
        www.worldgathering.net/ufo2/2...h14.jpg

        Here's an image of three craft which were by the same hill a few mnoths ago:
        www.worldgathering.net/ufo2/2...nh1.jpg
  • Re: 8000 Drums

    Thu, March 13, 2008 - 7:08 PM
    Just got this in .........

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Karma Wash & the Cosmic Dryer, our nj-based project, will be drumming, chanting, and vibing throughout the entire day. We will be playing a show in a house on that day, and it should be excellent.
    I hope our rhythm spreads to neighboring houses like wildfire!
    -bear
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    OK! So they're doing it New York style!
    It's got to be better than skyscrapers falling down.
    • Re: 8000 Drums

      Sun, March 16, 2008 - 9:27 AM
      I don't know who is behind the 8000 drum event, so I don't know about invites, spokesperson, endorsements, sponsors, etc. Does anyone know?
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        Re: 8000 Drums

        Sun, March 16, 2008 - 11:53 AM
        >Darlene Courchene was contacted by my friend Gilles Novaks who is a Montagnais Indian from Montreal. He is a Medicine Man and a Healer. He asked me to get as many Tribal people to participate in a worldwide ceremony called the “8,000 Drums”.
        He was contacted by two Huron Clan Grandmothers from up there in Canada and they asked him to help spread the word to all Indians everywhere.
        It will take place on March 21, 2008 at 12:00 noon. <

        I received it in my email from my Elder Three Feathers and itis being requested by Gilles Novak...Montangnais helaer.
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          Re: 8000 Drums

          Sun, March 16, 2008 - 11:54 AM
          See invitation at top of post
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            Re: 8000 Drums

            Sun, March 16, 2008 - 12:35 PM
            I have no problem with the request and the intention. I'll be doing my own thing in my own way. I was just pointing something out about the people behind it...
            • Re: 8000 Drums

              Sun, March 16, 2008 - 9:33 PM
              I'm just curious. Is the call for 8000 drums that's going around something to promote a new film about 2012?

              www.timeofthesixthsun.com

              According to this web page, the 8000 drum ceremony and fulfillment of the supposed Otomi Prophecy *already* happened in 2004:

              "When this blanket call to the world was sent out in 2004 by the Otomi Nation of People in Mexico, it was picked up by Film Director and Sound Healer, Nikki Williams. With initial seed funding, Nikki and a small crew found themselves in Mexico filming the ceremony. It was the start of an incredible & synchronistic journey.

              "On 21st March 2004, the Otomi Prophecy of 8000 Drums was indeed fulfilled."

              It comes as part of the "DVD Bonus Features" with the film.

              www.timeofthesixthsun.com/index.php

              The intent is no doubt a good one, but it's getting harder to tell what's real and what's New Age these days. Maybe it doesn't matter.

              Here's a link to the film trailer:

              www.timeofthesixthsun.com/index.php

              I got really suspicious of this posting because of the "prophecy" thing and because of claims that the Otomí are descendants of the Maya. They're not. The Otomí language is from an entirely different family than the Mayan languages. It's not even closely related.

              en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomi_people

              en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomi_language

              There are lots of good reasons for drumming and healing the environment, but I'd rather do so without promoting New Age "philosophy".

              One of my own pet peeves is Mayanism:

              en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayanism

              As has been true for a while, New Age gurus and "visionaries" are profiting from traditions other than their own while native people in the U.S., Canada, Latin America, and elsewhere are still struggling just to get through today and tomorrow, with concerns like how they're going to feed their kids and take care of elderly relatives.
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                Re: 8000 Drums

                Sun, March 16, 2008 - 9:54 PM
                Do you mind if I forward this information to the Elder who sent me the invitation about the drumming? He might want to validate this further or not...
                • Re: 8000 Drums

                  Sun, March 16, 2008 - 10:04 PM
                  "Do you mind if I forward this information..?"

                  Not at all. I was just wondering about the reality of a coalition that includes traditional elders from North American tribes and Mexican New Agers. You don't see that everyday!
              • Re: 8000 Drums

                Sun, March 16, 2008 - 10:00 PM
                From universidadindigena.org/uii/id58.html

                INTERNATIONAL GATHERING
                FOR THE HEALING OF MOTHER EARTH
                THE CEREMONY OF 8000 SACRED DRUMS
                PILGRIMAGE TO THE ANCIENT ATLANTEAN LANDS
                OTOMI CEREMONIAL CENTER, TEMOAYA, MEXICO

                MARCH 15-23, 2008

                PROGRAM
                · Re-union of the Eagle and the Condor
                · Elders, Healers and Wisdom Keepers
                · Ceremonies and Sacred Teachings
                · Messages and Prophecies about Earth’s Changes
                · Atlantean - Lemurian Visions and Crystal Skulls
                · Indigenous Healing and Traditional Medicine
                · Indian Therapies and Healing Sessions with the Four Elements, Energy, Crystals, Stones, Colors, Voice and Sound, Massage, Feathers, Plants, Flowers, Essences, Cleansing the Aura and other techniques.
                · Power of Silence, Prayers, Balance and Cleancings.
                · Sacred Arts for Healing. Music and Dance.
                · Crystal Bowls and Native Instruments
                · Sweat Lodge and Medicine Wheel.
                · Cosmic Sound and the Great Drumming Ceremony for Mother Earth and Peace.
                · Pilgrimage to the Ancient Sacred Sites and
                · Meditation in Caves and Pyramids…and more.
                • Re: 8000 Drums

                  Sun, March 16, 2008 - 11:45 PM
                  Hi Hoopes, Nanci, All,

                  Nanci sent me a note.

                  And I see: "I was just wondering about the reality of a coalition that includes traditional elders from North American tribes and Mexican New Agers. You don't see that everyday!"

                  I think a lot of the New Age / Dance / 'Spiritual' is completely out ot touch with the real world. I definitely feel that we would all be better pointing at the skies, and saying: "Stop those planes spraying that mixture on us." i.e. concentrating on things that are happening now that shouldn't be happening.

                  'Healing Mother Earth' and being with many self-apponited air-heads would probably make me fetch up.

                  But this drumming.

                  This coalition ...... meeting of minds may be very good.

                  What do you think Nanci? I think you're holding the balance view here.

                  I feel, like Nanci, the drumming is good. It shakes us up, and puts us in touch.

                  I have a feeling the drumming may help announce and clear the way for something good to happen. For a few years, I have been seeing that when a good number of us are seeing, awake, and agitated about the world, Spirit ~ including, or very much so, the star people ~ will do something practical to help. Many people have been feeling, "We've got all the white buffalo calfs .... how about White Buffalo Calf Woman?!"

                  Michael
              • Re: 8000 Drums

                Mon, March 17, 2008 - 12:06 AM
                ~~~ "On 21st March 2004, the Otomi Prophecy of 8000 Drums was indeed fulfilled." ~~~

                Yes, I saw that the other day... a few days ago, when I was comparing the original calls for our drumming in a few days, and that '2012 Film' website. Yes, it was fulfilled four years ago .... so how come we're having to fulfill the prophecy a second time?!

                Looking at your posts here, I went: 'I've seen somewhere else a significant approximate four-year time-lag, or four years which have gone missing.... what is the other missing or added approximate four years?'

                And it's this. More like five years. A journalist wrote late last year: "Is 2007, really 2012?"

                ~~~~~

                'Is 2007 Actually 2012?', By Victoria Hardy, December 10, 2007

                www.americanchronicle.com/articles/45427

                Is 2007 really 2012? Strange question to ask, but I have noticed that statement appearing more and more often. And although I do not believe everything I read, this idea captured my imagination. Time is an interesting concept, some say it is linear, others believe it is circular and still others believe that all time is Now. It can leave one a little confused.

                I have to admit when I discovered the Mayan calendar I wondered how our calendars, which have been altered again and again throughout history, could match the Mayan dates? Were we changing our calendar to keep in tune with theirs? Did we adjust their calendar to fit ours? And if we did, how do we know no mistakes were made? Or perhaps, the band Chicago was correct after all and nobody really knows what time it is anymore.

                Commercially the 2012 idea has been a success, movies have been made and products sold based on the theory that time, as we know it, ends on 12-21-2012. Googling “2012” will give about 12 million results and no, that is not an exaggeration. So it appears that millions are looking forward to the date with fear, excitement and longing, wishing for change that never seems to occur. Some believe we will ascend to the next dimension, others think it will be the time of the long awaited rapture and those that don’t see themselves raptured or ascended, expect upheavals in the world that will make survival our biggest challenge.

                I do not discount that these ideas may very well be truth and I believe that the earth is going to experience changes and those changes may be spiritual in nature. But I hesitate to fall in line with the 2012ers, because it is a broad path, very popular and very commercial. In this day and age, would truth be advertised and televised? Or is it a distraction? A date set in the future, surrounded by mystery and potential doom, an intriguing novel that takes years to unfold and an effective way to keep the masses looking in the wrong direction.

                It has been my understanding that a celestial phenomenon brings the changes predicted for 2012, an alignment of the galactic center causing a reversal of the magnetic poles or a polar shift. The shift is natural and has happened periodically through the history of the earth, but how that has affected the inhabitants of the earth, no seems to know, it appears written records don’t typically survive the occurrence. Of course there are hundreds of different theories as to what is supposed to occur on 12-21-2012 and I just pulled one of the many ideas out of the drawer to share as a possible scenario, but for all the catastrophic events rumored to transpire, all are said to be brought about by celestial circumstances.

                Interestingly enough, that rare event may be happening this very month in the heavens. On December 23 many planets will be aligned along or near the galactic center, some have suggested the planets will form a cross with the sun in the middle, bringing forth all types of Christian imagery. This alignment of the planets is a very rare spectacle, of course planets align on occasion, but this event is almost a convergence of all planets near or along the galactic center.

                2007 has been littered with galactic events, from Comets Mira, McNaught and the very strange, Holmes, to a grand conjunction unfurling in our skies on the winter solstice. We have been led to look at the year 2012 and that date has seeped into the mainstream consciousness, but what if it is wrong?

                What if we have been led astray?

                Of course, what is happening now could very well be the beginning of what will culminate in 2012, but even the 2012 experts have said they may be off 5 years in either direction, so could 2007 actually be 2012?

                ~~~~~

                It's all very interesting isn't it?

                To go completely spontaneous ..... here's what the 'Twenty Count' Rainbow Dream Vision of Hope says for year 2013.... which might be.... this year? (Dates don't really matter too much, do they, it's getting it together which matters).

                (By the way, I felt a ripple in our space-time fabric a couple of days ago [unless it was the coffee and choccy biscuits I'd just had] and it felt like a good ripple ... don't your people go to the top of mountains and call The Thunders on 21st March? I know they're going to do that in Paha Sapa on 21 March ~ this is something which keeps coming to mind since I first heard about drumming on March 21st)

                ~~~~ In the year 2013 the Great Spirit will have left its seed and the egg of everything here on this planet and it will create itself 20 times over at the speed of light and this prophecy ends as I have been given it by the Grandmothers that I share with you now. ~~~~

                www.worldgathering.net/winds/...ow.html
              • Re: 8000 Drums

                Mon, March 17, 2008 - 12:26 PM
                curious stuff... i remember that particular drum as well and thought it happened (whatever it is!). prophecy is a funny thing. it can be a deeply personal transformation into maturity and i have taken that as its sole purpose (for me). like steps or ladders from one world to the next, so is any rite of passage, the same! i am no expert and open to change, but every moment is that. each nation has their own prophecies. some share the same ones, some have very different ones. its not a bandwagon and i hope that comes to pass...
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                  Re: 8000 Drums

                  Mon, March 17, 2008 - 7:32 PM
                  I am not well versed on the Mayan calender or prophecies...but will include the following, after forwarding the 'snippet' from tribe abour the movie...Three Feathers has this to say... I also know the Polchies family...very traditional family.


                  it is for real not to promote any movie. Gilles Novaks is for real and the grandmothers are part of an indigenous group that recently traveled overseas. remember too that prophecies can be fluid in terms of interpretation of time. It is interesting that this is in the year 2008. 2008 is supposed to be the turn around time or the time of new beginnings after several years of struggle.

                  the native friendship center in fredericton is also have a drumming on that day.

                  Hello Friends,

                  The Fredericton Native Friendship Centre is set to gather on March 21 at 12-NOON for the 8,000 DRUMS. We will open the Centre at 11:00am and serve a light lunch/refreshments after the DRUMMING. Feel free to bring your hand drum and join in. EVERYONE is WELCOME

                  Location: 210 Brunswick Street, Fredericton
                  Call Claudette for more info at 459-5283

                  Wela'lin and Woliwon. Please pass along to you networks.

                  EVERYONE is WELCOME

                  In Friendship,

                  Tamara Polchies
                  Executive Director

                  210 Brunswick Street
                  Fredericton, NB E3B 1G9
                  Ph (506) 459-5283 / Fax (506)459-1756
                  fnfc2004@yahoo.ca

                  8,000 DRUMS on March 21
                  at NOON

                  HELLO, GREETINGS, ANIIN, TANSI, HAN, HAKODA!!

                  Darlene Courchene was contacted by my friend Gilles Novaks who is a Montagnais Indian from Montreal. He is a Medicine Man and a Healer. He asked me to get as many Tribal people to participate in a worldwide ceremony called the "8,000 Drums". He was contacted by two Huron Clan Grandmothers from up there in Canada and they asked him to help spread the word to all Indians everywhere. It will take place on March 21, 2008 at 12:00 noon. All you need to do is play a drum either alone, or with a group or have the whole Tribe participate. The purpose is to fulfill the OTOMI PROPHECY. The Otomi's are Mayan Olmec and Toltec descendants. The drums will be played so that the Creator will hear us and grant our wishes as we pray for help in the Healing Process of our Mother Earth. People are destroying Her and our Mother Earth needs our prayers.

                  Thank you. Ewo-wox-co-dah-wa.
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                    Re: 8000 Drums

                    Wed, March 19, 2008 - 5:23 AM
                    ~~~~ 2008 is supposed to be the turn
                    around time or the time of new beginnings
                    after several years of struggle. ~~~~

                    Well, tell you what, there seems to be a new feeling in the air here today in Scotland. And the past few days there seems to be more life force / spirit in the clouds and sky.
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    Re: 8000 Drums

    Thu, March 20, 2008 - 7:13 PM
    We've hoping you drum-keepers or drummers won't forget this one. I will be having a traditional drum session at my log cabin at Noon. If you plan on attending - don't be late. Anyone is welcome to stop by and help drum for an hour - to join in with all the other drummers who will be drumming around the world tomorrow Friday, March 21 at Noon. Before the drum session begins at Noon - I will explain why we drum on special occasions such as this one. Safe Journeys. Three Feathers...Pabineau First Nation, New Brunswick.

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