Boarding schools

topic posted Mon, March 10, 2008 - 4:32 PM by  Kimowan
In Canada, my Mother's generation were forced to attend culturally repressive boarding schools. They were horrible places that shook not only my mother's generation, but mine as well. The church and government are trying to close the issue with cash settlements, but I can't help but imagine that it just opens old wounds and pressures forgiveness where it does not exist. If you have the time, here is an exccellent documentary about that awful history. It's called "Unrepentant"
video.google.com/videoplay
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Kimowan
North Carolina
  • Re: Boarding schools

    Mon, March 10, 2008 - 7:32 PM
    Have you read Isabelle Knockwood's book "Out of the Depths"? She writes about her boarding school experience. Tragic and sad what was done to these children in those places.
  • Re: Boarding schools

    Tue, March 11, 2008 - 10:14 AM
    thank you for bringing this doc to my attention. residential schools have also affected my (maternal) family who are canadian, (kwakiutl). i've heard these stories all my life, within my family too, and has to do with how my mom ended up in california. its hard to hear, really hard. really to better understand whats gone on in my family, why there is shame and secrets and fear to the capacity it is. why we don't talk about certain things.

    i think i'll have a box of kleenex handy.
    • ᓀᐦᐃᔭᐍᐏᐣ Residential schools

      Tue, March 11, 2008 - 2:46 PM
      I,and my ᓀᐦᐃᔭᐍᐏᐣ family,.......were some of the final handful of first nations' people to be interned into the residencial schools in the most northern reaches of Saskatchewan,known as "keewatin" in nehiyawok (ᓀᐦᐃᔭᐍᐏᐣ,Cree)but,it wasn't by force or by chance.My Great grandfather was still alive when I was born and ,he,and my head elders decided,that,in the future,after they were gone,.........they didn't want to have the same forms of bloodshed and death and abuse,they experienced-all around our generations to come,in the north.but,they also knew the colonists would be up there,.......someday.to prepare our current generations for this;they kept us on a traditional path,and also thrust us upon a slightly more "modern" one.So,that when the time came,we would not only be prepared to face the coming changes on a prophesy/traditional level-AS WELL-as a new world order,that is now(still) occurring on Turtle Island,some 35 yr's later....

      At 2,I was sent with the priests' to a place down south in our province near Notre Dame College(Where ,at the time they had the last of these kinds of schools....).I was one of the eldest of 11 toddlers sent to the waiting arms of white religious families,ready to adopt us into a new set-up.But,before we got to our new adoptive homes,we had to go to "school".

      The time we spent at these "schools' is much like you'd imagine,a combination of ,maybe,..... Iraq,Guatanamo, & Nazi Germany,for the losing side.(when you don't know the difference in a brand new,{to us...},cultural system of "rights & wrongs")When they were closed down to rectify these criminals,and their crimes:I was old enough to know what had gone on.I realized the same could be said for elders right up to the age of 50 and 60,and they would finally have thier chance to see some justice done.

      The judge overseeing the hearing,finally sentenced our teacher(s) to "repeat/multi-life sentences" for thier abuse,and the deaths that occurred while,my kin/family were under their "care"(9 of us original 11 survived the school).Most notably-the sentences were to be/are currently,being served lived out by these 'people" in a maximum security penetentiary in the northern part of our province-.......with the same adults,that were,then,....kids.The wrongdoers' are sent to the infermary,weekly,within a a whisper of death:only to recover and be returned to "population".....to recieve the exact same treatment.This will continue for the rest of thier time with us....

      In this societies' way,that's how to respond to children being murdered,raped,beaten,abused,and forever traumatized,against their will.

      In our ᓀᐦᐃᔭᐍᐏᐣ way:THAT's how to show a coward a lesson.

      Many Nehiywewin(Cree)young & old,alike,agree,the financial "reward"/"refund" doesn't make a difference,but to some,it may.....


      • Re: ᓀᐦᐃᔭᐍᐏᐣ Residential schools

        Tue, March 11, 2008 - 4:44 PM
        ᓄᐦᑐᐃᐧᐢ, ᐊᕀ ᐊᕀ ᑭᑕᒋᒧᐃᐧᐣ, ᓂᐱᑭᐢᑲᐧᐣ ᓀᐦᐃᔭᐃᐧᐣ ᐊᑊᓯᐢ ᐯᑯ, ᒪᑲ, ᑭᓄᐦᑌᐱᑭᐢᑲᐧᐣ
        • Re: ᓀᐦᐃᔭᐍᐏᐣ Residential schools

          Tue, March 11, 2008 - 5:32 PM
          ᐄ ᐊᒼ guᐁᐢᓯᐣg ᔪu uᓭ ᐟᐦᐃᐢ ᒍᐣvᐁᕒᑌᕒ᙮ ᒐᐣ ᔪu ᐢᐯᐊᐠ ᓱᒣ ᐨᕒᐁᐁ? ᐄ ᐅᐧuᓬd ᓬᐃᑫ ᑐ ᐢᐯᐊᐠ ᐨᕒᐁᐁ ᐃᐧᐟᐦ ᔪu, ᐊᓬᐟᐦᐅugᐦ ᐟᐦᐃᐢ ᐃᐢ fuᐣ ᑐᐅ
          • Re: ᓀᐦᐃᔭᐍᐏᐣ Residential schools

            Tue, March 11, 2008 - 6:02 PM
            nimetawan, maka, ninohtepikiskewan nehiyawin. Tanspi kiwikan Mexico. Kekway kitatosken. Tantatow askiy. I'm sorry, it's not the greatest Cree. I need help.

            I was trying to say to you earlier: Nohtawiysis (Uncle), Ay-ay (thank you) kacimowin (for your story) Nipikiskwan (I can speak) apsis peko (but only a little) maka, Niwinohtepikiskwan (but I want to speak (Cree). Ochi niya Takamew Sakihikan (I am from Cold Lake). Nitisikason Kimowan (My name is Rain) Pepikiswewin (Speak with me). Niwiceskwan (I'll wait). Ekosi maka (Okay, that's all for now).
            • Re: ᓀᐦᐃᔭᐍᐏᐣ Residential schools

              Wed, March 12, 2008 - 10:06 AM
              What First Peoples have suffered at the hands of the visitors shows just how barbaric this world can be in the name of 'civilisation'.

              I went through a less harsh, but perhaps equally traumatic situation, in that it removed me from who I really was, in the United Kingdom. During my first term at boarding school, I ran away three times. At the end of the first term, I sat in the lounge at home and knew I had changed. I felt dead.

              That was 1963, just after they killed Kennedy.

              I had nightmares for around 20 years.

              In 1985, I sat open-air in a talking circle of over 100 people, kids, and dogs.
              The stick came to me, and I spoke.
              I could see half the circle was listening to me.
              I found myself again.

              Three helicopters, very high up, turned over our circle.
              A young child said to his Mother: "Did we do that?"
              The Mother said, "Yes. WE did that!"
              • ᓀᐦᐃᔭᐍᐏᐣ Residential schools

                Sun, March 30, 2008 - 9:02 AM
                After visiting your country of origin,.....the UK has had it's share of abuses towards children from the clergy,etc,although,it wasn't neccessarily a one-way system,nor instituted accross the country as a means of cross culture blending:I'd guess that the struggle for the Scottish and the Welsh against the British monarchy ...........would been a bit closer to what transpired in the north of Can.,AUS.,and NZ.,during the past 200 or so years.

                Sometimes the similarity in our many differences is what brings us together,..........

  • this just in:

    Thu, June 12, 2008 - 11:58 AM
    We're sorry,' Harper says
    Jun 11, 2008 05:58 PM

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper stood in the House of Commons today and apologized to all the people of the First Nations of Canada for the residential schools system that operated in this country. Here is the text of his address:

    Mr. Speaker, I stand before you today to offer an apology to former students of Indian residential schools. The treatment of children in Indian residential schools is a sad chapter in our history.

    In the 1870s, the federal government, partly in order to meet its obligation to educate aboriginal children, began to play a role in the development and administration of these schools. Two primary objectives of the residential schools system were to remove and isolate children from the influence of their homes, families, traditions and cultures, and to assimilate them into the dominant culture. These objectives were based on the assumption aboriginal cultures and spiritual beliefs were inferior and unequal. Indeed, some sought, as it was infamously said, "to kill the Indian in the child". Today, we recognize that this policy of assimilation was wrong, has caused great harm, and has no place in our country.

    Most schools were operated as "joint ventures" with Anglican, Catholic, Presbyterian or United churches. The government of Canada built an educational system in which very young children were often forcibly removed from their homes, often taken far from their communities. Many were inadequately fed, clothed and housed. All were deprived of the care and nurturing of their parents, grandparents and communities. First nations, Inuit and Métis languages and cultural practices were prohibited in these schools. Tragically, some of these children died while attending residential schools and others never returned home.

    The government now recognizes that the consequences of the Indian residential schools policy were profoundly negative and that this policy has had a lasting and damaging impact on aboriginal culture, heritage and language. While some former students have spoken positively about their experiences at residential schools, these stories are far overshadowed by tragic accounts of the emotional, physical and sexual abuse and neglect of helpless children, and their separation from powerless families and communities. The legacy of Indian residential schools has contributed to social problems that continue to exist in many communities today.

    It has taken extraordinary courage for the thousands of survivors that have come forward to speak publicly about the abuse they suffered. It is a testament to their resilience as individuals and to the strength of their cultures. Regrettably, many former students are not with us today and died never having received a full apology from the government of Canada. The government recognizes that the absence of an apology has been an impediment to healing and reconciliation.

    Therefore, on behalf of the government of Canada and all Canadians, I stand before you, in this chamber so central to our life as a country, to apologize to aboriginal peoples for Canada’s role in the Indian residential schools system. To the approximately 80,000 living former students, and all family members and communities, the government of Canada now recognizes that it was wrong to forcibly remove children from their homes and we apologize for having done this.

    We now recognize that it was wrong to separate children from rich and vibrant cultures and traditions, that it created a void in many lives and communities, and we apologize for having done this.

    We now recognize that, in separating children from their families, we undermined the ability of many to adequately parent their own children and sowed the seeds for generations to follow, and we apologize for having done this.

    We now recognize that, far too often, these institutions gave rise to abuse or neglect and were inadequately controlled, and we apologize for failing to protect you. Not only did you suffer these abuses as children, but as you became parents, you were powerless to protect your own children from suffering the same experience, and for this we are sorry.

    The burden of this experience has been on your shoulders for far too long. The burden is properly ours as a government, and as a country. There is no place in Canada for the attitudes that inspired the Indian residential schools system to ever again prevail.

    You have been working on recovering from this experience for a long time and in a very real sense, we are now joining you on this journey.

    The government of Canada sincerely apologizes and asks the forgiveness of the aboriginal peoples of this country for failing them so profoundly. We are sorry.

    In moving towards healing, reconciliation and resolution of the sad legacy of Indian residential schools, implementation of the Indian residential schools settlement agreement began on September 19, 2007. Years of work by survivors, communities, and aboriginal organizations culminated in an agreement that gives us a new beginning and an opportunity to move forward together in partnership.

    A cornerstone of the settlement agreement is the Indian residential schools truth and reconciliation commission. This commission presents a unique opportunity to educate all Canadians on the Indian residential schools system. It will be a positive step in forging a new relationship between aboriginal peoples and other Canadians, a relationship based on the knowledge of our shared history, a respect for each other and a desire to move forward together with a renewed understanding that strong families, strong communities and vibrant cultures and traditions will contribute to a stronger Canada for all of us.

    www.thestar.com/News/Canad...icle/441556


    my husband sent this to me from work. its hard to explain to people the damage it has caused. these situations have lead to arguments of despair in my home, the feeling of not being heard or understood, or playing the victim. i'll say this much, its about damn time. i am not the victim so much as my mother and extended family, who play the rold, not only that, have lived lives in sheer disorder and confusion. yes. i see how its all caused so much dysfunction and detachment and trying to express that the reason for this is that stems and has its roots in these sorts of recent issues. i dont think its old news, or ancient history. how to repair such damage? i don't really know. an apology is nice, but now... i know how it is. i think for my husband, being from england, he feels that all people go through this sort of thing, the irish did too. and funny, my kwakuitl grandmother married an irish man whom had suffered a great amount of ordeals, bringing with him even more. its a strange place... i'm glad to be where i am today, but i have genuine sorrow and angst regarding this heinous crime against children and humanity. you'd have to be absolutely heartless not to. i try to detach but i can't ignore it. not when i still see my family suffering, i stay away. i pray for guidance and healing. i don't like this part of the story...
    • Ancient news?!

      Thu, June 12, 2008 - 3:02 PM
      Nice for a start.
      The EXACT same thing occured in Australia,(funnily,enough):two years before thier Olympics Games were planned.Nice to cover over the truth,before the world has it's eyes on our realities' of a troubled Canada.

      In this,the native way of -Honesty
      -Humilty
      -Trust
      -Courage
      -Love
      -Respect
      -Wisdom
      We/you can begin to form a tiny little bit of respect for your fellow man,who,begins to realize WHY he was wrong in the choices he made-and owns up to that.But,true respect is earned......from respectable actions.Not from more peices of paper traded from hand to hand,........in place of realizations:120 years later!
  • Re: Boarding schools

    Sun, June 15, 2008 - 12:57 PM
    I had brought this up earlier about how they are building a new museum in the Carisle Barracks in Pennsyvania that does not include anything about the boardind school that was located there. The only thing that indicates that it ever existed is the children's graveyard on the outside of the base.

    If you do get the oipportunity to go to the research library (it houses a small history of the Army musuem that does have pictures of Gerimino and the famous football player that attended there and other pictures of the Crow indians that served as guides with the Calvary etc...) They will allow you to view photos and documents and they do have some of the instructions that the students were taught.

    The graveyard is unique in its own right because there are children buried there from tribes that no longer exist.

    It bothers me that these places are looked upon as being boarding schools when they were really small consentration camps. (But then so were the reservations)

    I personally feel that it is a wound that needs to remain open and that all the children in the United States and Canada need to understand what occured there.

    What bothers me is that as we sit here the Enuit people are tadgically suffering a fate of probable extinction caused by the same principles and greed and we need to use the past to save there future.
    • Re: Boarding schools

      Mon, June 30, 2008 - 6:24 PM
      I saw the apology online. I heard it was televised live across Canada. I felt somewhat heartened. Then I started reading the Youtube video responses and I understood how one man's apology, even if he is the Prime Minister, does not represent the people of that nation. The non-Natives seem bitter and it bothers me.

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